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Rachel Leah Childers's avatar

The idea of statistics (and other aspects of scientific process and communication) as rhetoric in the sense of formally structured argument with intention to persuade, is one that I like as one perspective regarding the goals of inference, though not the only one. For one, some statistical procedures play a role in automated systems with no human audience at all (this is often "machine learning"), and maybe just sometimes people learn and adjust their own views in response to quantitative results (sometimes this is "Exploratory Data Analysis", though not always via the specific methods that get called that).

When I taught graduate Econometrics, I liked to devote just a tiny sliver of the first lecture to alternative interpretations, before plunging students into an otherwise standard course on probability theory and matrix algebra: see roughly minutes 12-18 of a recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h727zDsAy1Q&t=1s

In it, for the idea of modeling as rhetoric, I cite particularly Deirdre McCloskey 1998 "The Rhetoric of Economics", which includes also a classic bit on p-values which I think fits quite well with the perspective you take here. (For propriety I fail to mention that I find her to be, stylistically, one of the most grating and painful to read authors in economics, though the points still stand). Looking more at the rhetoric of quantitative theoretical models, I also point to Ariel Rubinstein's excellent "Economic Fables". Rubinstein's student Ran Spiegler has a more recent book in the same vein, written in a literary fashion but drawing on what is now an active literature on models of learning from and persuading people with models. This area (by authors like Spiegler, Philipp Strack, etc) builds on earlier literature that did the same with formal decision-theoretic models of learning, but lately incorporates various kinds of behavioral features, since it is hard to explain much of scientific practice as reflecting rational learning. Of course, how convincing you find these models of being persuaded by models will depend on how persuasive you find models of that kind, so I believe there are opportunities for infinitely more layers of turtles.

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The parallel to legal writing is spot on. Both systems create artificial consensus thresholds that feel objective but are fundamentally arbitrary. I spent a few years working with clinical trial data and saw how p=0.05 became this ritual barrier, when really it was just convenient bureaucracy. What's intresting though is once we call it rhetoric, it risks making stats seem optional in contexts where it genuinely adds rigor to debates that would otherwise devolve into pure narrative warfare.

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