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Rachel Leah Childers's avatar

The idea of statistics (and other aspects of scientific process and communication) as rhetoric in the sense of formally structured argument with intention to persuade, is one that I like as one perspective regarding the goals of inference, though not the only one. For one, some statistical procedures play a role in automated systems with no human audience at all (this is often "machine learning"), and maybe just sometimes people learn and adjust their own views in response to quantitative results (sometimes this is "Exploratory Data Analysis", though not always via the specific methods that get called that).

When I taught graduate Econometrics, I liked to devote just a tiny sliver of the first lecture to alternative interpretations, before plunging students into an otherwise standard course on probability theory and matrix algebra: see roughly minutes 12-18 of a recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h727zDsAy1Q&t=1s

In it, for the idea of modeling as rhetoric, I cite particularly Deirdre McCloskey 1998 "The Rhetoric of Economics", which includes also a classic bit on p-values which I think fits quite well with the perspective you take here. (For propriety I fail to mention that I find her to be, stylistically, one of the most grating and painful to read authors in economics, though the points still stand). Looking more at the rhetoric of quantitative theoretical models, I also point to Ariel Rubinstein's excellent "Economic Fables". Rubinstein's student Ran Spiegler has a more recent book in the same vein, written in a literary fashion but drawing on what is now an active literature on models of learning from and persuading people with models. This area (by authors like Spiegler, Philipp Strack, etc) builds on earlier literature that did the same with formal decision-theoretic models of learning, but lately incorporates various kinds of behavioral features, since it is hard to explain much of scientific practice as reflecting rational learning. Of course, how convincing you find these models of being persuaded by models will depend on how persuasive you find models of that kind, so I believe there are opportunities for infinitely more layers of turtles.

Deborah Mayo's avatar

I'd be glad to debate you bro...but here I speak to your readers.

When a method does genuine inferential work and yields warranted inferences, it not only is persuasive—it deserves to be. Recht’s reasoning, however, flattens this distinction, making it all too easy to dismiss such methods as merely “rhetorical.” Although his position is sufficiently equivocal (as in his bureaucratic view of statistics), the overall impression is that in his view statistical inference is little more than officially sanctioned snake oil. The fallacy here is a failure to ask why some methods deserve to be persuasive and others are do not. In the case of statistical inference, when correctly applied, the answer is straightforward: it earns its persuasiveness by exposing itself to stringent criticism and severe testing. Recht’s argument would undercut the central task of statistical science—namely, distinguishing warranted inferences and sound methods from bad but persuasive ones: those built on biased selection, missing error estimates, charming anecdotes, hasty generalization, or a convenient blindness to alternative explanations of the data.

Worse still, by portraying statistical inference as post-hoc—entering only after data collection—Recht overlooks the single most important achievement and ongoing task of error statistical inference: planning and experimental design. It is this forward-looking design perspective–advanced by Fisher and Neyman and Pearson– that makes error estimation possible and provides the basis for the critical scrutiny that moves us beyond rhetoric. Fisher was explicit about this point: his insistence on randomization, he explains, is motivated by a desire to stop 'important' critics from discounting experimental results as the result of poor controls or rhetorical tricks dressed up as science. Recht seems to be suggesting either that that’s all statistical inference is, or perhaps that’s all science is. There may be other reasons he is so keen to derogate statistical inference...

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