13 Comments
User's avatar
John Quiggin's avatar

I got this, just as I was sitting down to work on a paper about syntactic and semantic approaches to uncertainty and unawareness. Here's a link to a current draft

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/clso6ejrmpgg3f6eciip2/Translation-10.pdf?rlkey=h4pg70g04k86f5sxchm95ym93&dl=0

Ben Recht's avatar

Not Meehl related, but translation as a foundational building block of meaning has been a recent obsession of mine. Adding your paper to my queue. Thanks!

Maxim Raginsky's avatar

This paper takes me back -- all the ideas related to connecting lattice-theoretic and probabilistic notions of uncertainty, plus the references to Halpern, Gilboa-Schmeidler, etc.

John Quiggin's avatar

We’ve been working on this for a long time, and there are still basic issues unresolved. But I think we have made some progress here.

galen's avatar

So when there's stuff like the AI Impacts survey asking people to estimate probabilities, and then they do statistics over those probabilities, is that doing type 2 over type 1? Is there a name for this... technique 🤔

Ben Recht's avatar

I think it's called "Doomerism."

Rob Nowak's avatar

I guess Bayesians would say that both are equally fundamental to understanding the unknown.

Ben Recht's avatar

Frequentists would agree! The two differ in how you move between the two. More on this topic coming later this week.

Maxim Raginsky's avatar

As I was listening to that lecture, I kept nodding in agreement because I articulated more or less the same dichotomy here: https://realizable.substack.com/p/probabilities-coherence-correspondence.

Maxim Raginsky's avatar

By the way, at one point Meehl recommends two chapters from Vic Barnett’s book on comparative statistical inference as a good reference on the interpretations of probability. Check them out if you haven’t already, they are excellent.

Ben Recht's avatar

Yeah, Barnett's book is excellent cover to cover. Have you read Hacking's "Logic of Statistical Inference?" Also great at picking at the dappled nature of inference. And I also really like Wesley Salmon's discussion of the problem of probability in "The Foundations of Scientific Inference."

Maxim Raginsky's avatar

I've leafed through Hacking. Currently making my way through Mary Hesse's "Structure of Scientific Inference," which is (like Hesse in general) hugely underrated.

Ben Recht's avatar

What I like about Barnett, Hacking, and Salmon is I walked away more confused but also more relaxed. The statistical dogmatists are much more stressful to read.