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rif a saurous's avatar

So you're definitely agreeing with Watt that these stats are meaningless? I have to say ... I don't know!

I'd love to get your thoughts on a couple specific examples.

Imagine a defensive player P who is extremely fast and strong, and gets a lot of sacks. The offense adjusts by consistently double-teaming P. As a result, P gets very few sacks. It seems likely to me that PFF can and does observe this, and they ought to grade P highly because of it. It might not show up in P's team winning more, because maybe the rest of P's team isn't very good, or maybe the number of wins is just too noisy (it's important to note that football has an order of magnitude fewer games per season than baseball or baskbetball), but there is some real sense in which P is doing a better job than a different defensive player P' who's only getting single-teamed but getting the same number of stats.

I'm also interested in your thoughts on the "interceptable passes" stat. This passes my smell test: NFL receivers are good but not arbitrarily good, and how often they catch a pass "to them" sure looks like it's related to how accurate or tight the pass is. It seems quite plausible to me that someone who watches a lot of football and says "That pass wasn't intercepted because it was nowhere near the defensive player, but *that* pass wasn't intercepted only because the offense got lucky " is saying something that isn't total nonsense. (I guess they're saying "Basically no passes that look like the first one get intercepted, but a good fraction of passes that look like the second get intercepted.") Combine this with, again, the relatively small numbers involved in NFL football, which imply that even if we were observing some perfect random process we'd expect a lot of variance around infinite populatin average over the course of a season, and I can easily imagine this is doing something that points in the direction of meaningful.

Or maybe it's all garbage!

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Kevin M's avatar

Ive watched lots of Texans game (big houston sports fan here), and I can only imagine CJ stroud has a low PFF score is because he throws really risky balls that somehow always end up landing perfectly in the WR hands. It’s what makes him so special because he makes low-medium risk high reward plays that 99% of QBs would be high risk high reward plays. Some are crazy behind the shoulder plays that are like inches away from the CBs or Safetys hand, but no cigar. And he does this on a really consistent basis. This is where I suppose the eye test beats out statistics and statistics just cant capture the nuances of how good CJ Stroud is.

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