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Matty's avatar

Very rarely does someone pick up a language without either studying it or living in a country where the language is spoken. But many depressed people feel better over time even if they don't take any medication. So the difference between the two cases is whether the outcome is common even for people who don't take the given action.

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The first case feels obvious because my internal world model predicted that you would be able to speak Japanese with a high probability given the context. That world model prediction was based on directly observing and hearing about many different kinds of people who have learned to speak different languages through dedicated practice (and likewise observing that people who don't practice speaking different languages are not capable of speaking different languages). Me claiming that "You were able to speak Japanese because of the Japanese lessons." is communicating that, had I spoke to you before you learned Japanese, I would've been willing to make a large bet that you would indeed be able to speak Japanese in the future after following the regimen described.

On the flip side, my internal world model did not assign a high probability to the depressed person being happy two years in the future given the context, which is why the causal claim doesn't feel obvious. That world model prediction was based on directly observing and hearing about many different kinds of people who have taken antidepressants and not been able to pull out of their depression, although some have (and likewise observing that some depressed people who don't take antidepressants can overcome their depression, although many don't). Me claiming that "I don't know if the person was able to overcome their depression because of the Prozac." is communicating that, had we spoke before the person started taking Prozac, I wouldn't have been willing to bet anything but a relatively small amount of money on them being happy in two years.

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